Two Peoples?

Recently we had a visit from some family from the UK, and of course, we had some political disagreements.  Most Jews from the UK, and the Diaspora in general, are very liberal in their views, while myself, and the Israeli population in general, has moved more to the right.  I became somewhat frustrated at the lack of my ability to communicate effectively with them on various topics.  I should like to try to highlight them here:

  1. The Palestinians: Most Diaspora Jews are very sympathetic towards the Palestinians and regard Israel’s treatment of them as oppressive and typical of a colonial occupying power.  But, they are ignorant of the true situation, for example: Egypt, Saudi Arabia, the Gulf States, Kuwait, Iraq and Syria do not allow Palestinians to enter, yet Israel allows about 90,000 Palestinians to enter every day, with the appropriate permit, to work in Israel (yes, sometimes they have to wait at checkpoints).  The Arab States have persecuted the Palestinians far worse than Israel has done, for example, the Palestinians sided with Saddam Hussein after Iraq invaded Kuwait, so when Kuwait was liberated by the Americans the Kuwaitis killed an unknown number of Palestinians and expelled about 200,000.  Likewise, the Palestinian refugee camp outside Damascus containing ca. 120,000 Palestinians sided with the opposition, so the Syrian Army besieged the camp and shelled it with artillery and after 2 years when it was finally opened to humanitarian help there were ca. 20,000 left. In Lebanon, Palestinians were not allowed to work and were besieged in camps.  Israel supplies Gaza with all necessary materials (food, water, oil, etc.) on a daily basis, but Egypt does not!   Yet, none of these issues are considered by those who criticize Israel.
  2. Terrorism: Every day there are terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians and soldiers, either by stabbing or ramming with vehicles.  Two weeks ago 4 soldiers were killed in Jerusalem. Both Hamas in Gaza and the PA on the West Bank support these attacks. They incite their people to murder and pay their families when they do, and also they celebrate if Israelis are killed.  Certainly IDF soldiers shoot and kill Palestinian terrorists if they attack and they arrest cells if they can detect them, just as all other countries do.
  3. The Wall: Israel built a defensive security fence to stop the terrorism of the second intifada (2000-2002) that killed ca, 1,000 Israelis, mostly in suicide bombings.  The fence worked and reduced the killings by about 90%.  Yet the “wall” was criticized as an “apartheid” wall!  But, everyone has built defensive walls, all cities had them, and there is Hadrian’s Wall and the Great Wall of China.  Among those countries that have built border fences are Saudi Arabia, India, China, Serbia and now Pres. Trump plans to build one along the Mexican border. Where is the criticism of this as an “apartheid wall”?
  4. Rights: Most people believe that some part of this area is “Palestinian Land”, but it is not!  There never was a sovereign Palestine and there never has ever been any Arab sovereignty in Palestine in history.  It’s not only the Bible that gives us rights here.  The Balfour Declaration of the British Govt. in 1917 was adopted after WWI in the San Remo Treaty and in the British Mandate to form a Jewish Homeland in Palestine, not an Arab homeland.  And this was aslo adopted by the UN on its formation. Hence, Israel inherits all of Palestine and Jewish settlements in the whole Land are legal!
  5. Trump: Pres. Trump was elected fairly under the established American electoral system.  Half of the US population voted for him and I supported him, mainly because I found it impossible to vote for Hillary Clinton.  I did not select Trump, but he was the only alternative choice.   I am amazed how hypocritical liberal-leftists are, they claim they support democracy, but cannot accept the will of the people when it goes against them.  Trump may be an unusual President, but certainly no worse in many respects than Reagan, LBJ, Kennedy, Carter, Clinton and Obama.
  6. Islam: Islamic terrorism is clearly a part of Islam, it derives from it, and all attempts, like those of Obama, to ignore that fact are self-deceptive. Islamic extremists want to impose by force beliefs that all Muslims hold, namely Sharia Law, that requires all Muslims to live in a Muslim-controled State, to require non-Muslims (kuffar) to convert or face death, to kill apostates to Islam, and to treat women as chattel.  Just because most Muslims are nice, peaceful people does not mean that these are not tenets of Islam.

These are some of the main points over which we disagreed.  If I became exasperated and “bombastic,” I should apologize.  But, from my pov as an Israeli, I find their ill-informed views naive and self-defeating.  They accept Palestinian propaganda uncritically, but any point we try to make is considered Israeli propaganda.  What about the facts?  On the other hand, living in the Diaspora, in order to fit into their predominantly liberal milieu and considering that these are not life-and-death issues for them, I should be sympathetic to their situation.  But, it’s difficult.

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7 thoughts on “Two Peoples?

  1. Even though I tend to be more liberal myself, I believe on this issue you are totally on the point. It is very different when you are living in Israel to be liberal about Palestinians and their issues,since the focus is more immanent that something could effect your own life, effecting you personally at any given moment. The hate for Israel that the Palestinians have and teach their children, only keeps them from progressing to a better life for themselves.
    Israeli Arabs have many rights as citizens,and live a life that other Arabs would only dream of in other Arab states. While Israel is criticized for being an Apartheid state, all these rights allow the Israeli Arabs to build large homes and live a descent life. These benefits could be afforded to the Palestinians as well, if they would give up the idea of pushing Israel into the sea. .
    How many chances has Israel given the Palestinians to have their own state and live in peace with her? The wall has been a blessing and saved many lives. Peace would even be better, allowing for a greater blessing economically for everyone in the region. Israel only wants to work with all of its neighbors in the region and to expand mutual progress in the Middle East.
    Now Americans are marching for a potential enemy to be in their mist even more, America is not against Islam as a religion, but most of the terror that happens,around the world is coming from it. If the Muslims want the world to embrace them, then they are the ones that have to prove they do not want to take down Western civilization as we know it.

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  2. I heard you loud and clear. But I don’t think it is necessary to live in Israel to maintain a clear, realistic and objective viewpoint. But it does make it easier, especially when navigating the grotesquely prejudiced media that is pervasive throughout the Western world. What is needed is the ability to exercise independent thought and judgement. In today’s world this is considered an act of great bravery – or folly.

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  3. Jack, Jews in the Diaspora don’t care what the Arabs do to Arabs. Their judgement is completely set by what they see happening in the Middle East region of Israel. Despite the obvious facts you cite, they see the Palestinians as dominated by Israel (thank heavens that’s a reality since I live in Israel). It doesn’t matter that Palestinian Arabs who are Israeli citizens are better treated than Palestinians living in several other Arab countries.

    They don’t see Palestinians as the Islamic terrorists in their land. They do see Arab terrorists doing the Arab terrorist thing in Europe but they don’t identify those Arabs as Palestinians. Israeli Arabs who commit terror in Israel are seen as ‘freedom fighters’ by the liberals even if they don’t say this publically.

    We see black, the Diaspora sees white.

    Harry

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  4. I really feel for you. It’s a constant battle to teach people the truth, I see it all day long on YouTube etc.
    In my house it’s hard to talk about much else (the way Israel is portrayed) and it leaves me feeling exasperated that so many can’t see the truth. If everyone was on the same page it would suck all the oxygen out of Islamic propaganda and it would shrivel up.

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  5. I would say that most of my Jewish friends do support Israel and do understand why the wall was built; that Israel is demonised in the press and media; that there is unfair reporting regarding the Palestinians etc. etc. Maybe the views you heard from ‘relations’ are not the same universally. Mind you, we think that Trump is a dangerous man and many people are quite worried about his actions.

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  6. Jack you are right on every point. I remember one of the sisters of Ernie saying to me when I met her on my first Visit in 1970 that all we needed was a small pogrom in England and they would all come running. If course this was not true. They feel so British and they are so assimilated they believe they are perfectly safe and. Nobody would touch them in their glass houses. Forget you are banging your head on a brick wall. Love your blogs, keep writing. Sorry to read about the death of Millie.condolences to Naomi. We were away that weekend. Linda

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